when parting ways is necessary

{collaborated thoughts with Vince, my spouse}

I’ve had that sinking feeling for two weeks now. You know the kind, when things go wrong? When you feel squeezed and pressured to explain so many things over and over again. I’ve fasted and prayed and had long, long nights of little sleep.

Nothing’s really changed for us as a family. How others see us, that has changed.

Church to us, is our small fellowship and that is all. No dramatic swing or epic explosion caused it, we have always felt that way. We never left the church building to become part of another church movement or something beyond a little house group. This is enough for us: to worship Jesus and be lead by His Spirit.

How can we yoke ourselves with everyone as multiple groups grow larger and larger?

Nor, can we submit to every church denomination for some uptopia of “unity” {which isn’t really unity, but compromise or some other such thing}.

There is only one mind and one body that unites us and that is Jesus. To say we need to submit to other groups for some case of unity, is the epitome of contradictions, when they, themselves don’t “submit” {nor even agree} with other churches in our area.

If “unity” is to be applied their way, we all need to be one for ”unity”. At least that is, our group needs to be one with them or we are divisive in their eyes. But they themselves don’t even apply their “unity” on themselves, but only as they see fit.

We only know in part, prophesy in part, speak in part and so we are parts of Him and He is the One Body that makes us whole. Unity isn’t trying to make everyone agree with us or with eachother. Unity, is only by Jesus, not by groups or men or denominations or churches.

And submission is based on trust relationships and that takes time. Unity isn’t based on how well you submit to someone, it is based on our focus of Jesus Christ as Lord. It’s by the Spirit we are lead to do what He says, and go where He leads, and to speak what He speaks. That is all the unity we have, whether Baptist, or Methodist, or some other Protestant denomination, or Pentecostal, etc. There are various directions which these different churches believe, but the one constant is Jesus.

We don’t see {separate} churches as being evil, but as a way of peacemaking between brothers and sisters, so that we can worship Jesus. It doesn’t mean we can’t ever meet with other body’s of believers if we are focused on the perfect Body.

If I go down to the Baptist church or the Methodist Church, or some multi-denominational worship service {once a month} doesn’t mean I am Baptist or Methodist. It just means I worshipped Jesus with them.

Are there barriers for worship?

I don’t have to be part of your “church” to worship Jesus with you. Because as far as I can see, He is the ONLY perfect body that makes us One body. Why is it so hard for some to understand that we can worship together and still be in separate churches, unless people have taken ownership of us, in some way?

There should always be freedom to come and sit at His feet, no matter where we “church”. All of our homes are eternally in Christ and this is where we meet when together.

These times of adversity for our small group, have brought up the workings of the Spirit which have knit this little organic body more closely together. We aren’t mad. We aren’t angry. Even if others wondered about ulterior motives. We are all fallible. Every last one of us.

And ‘though other people trying to understand this “new” thing about us, feel as if something had to have happened, it didn’t. Really.

We just want to worship and focus on Christ. That doesn’t mean we can’t still see them (as we have) or fellowship with them (as we have), it just means we are separated by relationships that are minimal at best, NON-existant at worst, beyond a brief monthly meeting. It is very simple and uncomplicated.

Our love hasn’t changed. Our ideas haven’t changed. Our “church” hasn’t changed. The only thing that has changed are words. We are speaking from our hearts, what was already there the whole time.

Unity isn’t found by one man, nor is it found in large groups {for us}, nor is it found in multiple groups. It is only found in Love.

Unity doesn’t come and beat us down to agree, but it gives itself up for Love. Unity is having the like-mindedness of Christ where all power to love was Bodily poured out for us.

So to say, a small group IS our church, is enough for us. I can’t speak for them.

Yet we know none of it matters, because Christ is our all-in-all, and there is no more to say. If we have Him, then we can trust eachother to Him. And if we have the Spirit, we leave eachother with the Counselor. If we believe God is big and even bigger than we imagine, then we hand eachother over for His good purposes. And if He is our Father who hears our prayer, then we tell Him to bless them and care for them. And if we have faith, we believe He is able and more abundantly so, to Shepherd His people.

There are only two commandments that sums up the whole law and they are bound by love. We can be separate and still love, if nothing else.

“Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,  ‘Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?’ Jesus said to him, ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” Matthew 22:35-40

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6 Responses to when parting ways is necessary

  1. I agree completely that we can worship just as much in a Baptist Church as in a Methodist one, but I’m not sure how you can see it as, “peacemaking between brothers and sisters,”. All Church’s have somethings right and somethings wrong, as you said, “We’re all fallible.” Because of this then, each Church, it can be assumed, has something wrong. Now, I don’t presume to be in the position to play judge, but I can say that I’ve noticed some denomination’s flaws are more self-evident than others. For example, I highly doubt if I could worship in a Catholic Church, because of the air of legalism surrounding everything, and their claim that the Pope is another Christ. More than this, however, I don’t believe it’s possible for anyone to worship Jesus when they’re constantly being told what they must do to be right with God: which is exactly what the Catholics do.

    When you say, “peacemaking between brothers and sisters,” you’re making the assumption that every other denomination is correct and unflawed: how else could they truly make peace? The simple fact that there are denominations means that there is division among those brothers and sisters. I’m not sure if you’ve experienced any of this or not, but certain denominations, very literally, HATE other denominations: how can that be peacemaking? Please don’t take this the wrong way, I’m just stating what I believe on the subject; please feel free to correct me with Scripture if you see something I’m doing wrongly.

    “Yet we know none of it matters, because Christ is our all-in-all, and there is no more to say. If we have Him, then we can trust eachother to Him. And if we have the Spirit, we leave eachother with the Counselor. If we believe God is big and even bigger than we imagine, then we hand eachother over for His good purposes. And if He is our Father who hears our prayer, then we tell Him to bless them and care for them. And if we have faith, we believe He is able and more abundantly so, to Shepherd His people.”

    I agree completely with this paragraph, but the thing to realize is that not all denominations have Christ as their focus. What your doing is called, “toleration.” You tolerate every wrong teaching thrown at you, and attempt to worship Jesus no matter what your surroundings. Now, this concept is a wonderful one! It’s just that at some point you’re going to be affected by the wrong teaching continually being thrown at you.

    Anyway, I’m sorry if I misunderstood you and you weren’t actually saying any of this at all. — But, in case you are, here’s what the Bible says on the matter:

    3 But I am afraid that qas the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts rwill be led astray from a ssincere and tpure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes and uproclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept va different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough. (2 Corinthians 11:3-4)

    1 “To the angel[a] of the church in Ephesus write:
    These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary. (Revelation 2:1-3)

    I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Corinthians 1:10-13)

    Please don’t take this insultingly: I’m just sharing my views with you as honestly as I can, so I’m sorry if I come off as harsh or insulting, it’s unintentional, I assure you!

    • Joshua, I am not insulted. I agree with all that you said and that has been my own struggles as well, with denominations and etc. In our most recent incident, there were some fundamental differences between two groups. There is much more to this issue and I couldn’t get into all of it with one post. I do believe that there are divisions which are very sinful (based on pride, or exclusive doctrines or etc). In our case, the issue was more about being pressured to be “united” {ie., submit to their group}.

      That scripture in 1 Corinthians, I really love and have researched on. I used to be puzzled why Paul would say it was wrong to say you follow Christ. I don’t think he was saying that following Christ or stating that is the problem, but when you do it as a status symbol, then that is when it’s wrong. It IS sinful is to use those divisions as a form of superiority among the brethen. In other words, these brethren were trying to elevate themselves among their Corinthian society by saying, “I follow Cephas”…then to one up someone, the next person would say “Well, I follow Apollos” and then another would say, “Well, I follow Christ” {kind of like a “top that” status}. That to me is when it becomes sin. To say we are of Christ is NOT sinful, so Paul couldn’t have meant that. But to say, my denomination or my reliqious clique is better than yours, that IS sinful and divisive, sectarian if you will.

      I very much believe there IS unity, but is doesn’t go horizontal {flesh to flesh}, but vertical {man to Christ}. So I DO BELIEVE in it, but ONLY through Christ. I feel when Paul talked about being one in body, I always imagine it by the ONE perfect Body.

      Does that make sense? I will elaborate later, because I do believe in unity and submission but I am very much against legalism and man inserting himself where Jesus should be.

    • Ps. The only way I know of peacemaking between brothers and sisters in Christ is by His love. In order for me to meditate on some other things related to this incident, I think this post may be lacking in what I really want to say because you said it so much better than me! The one thing God has been showing me through it all: “But above all these things put on love, which is the BOND of perfection. And let the PEACE of GOD rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful.” Colossians 3:14,15 The “one body” I imagined it literally, singular as in, our baptism unto Jesus {the One body} and His Love {because God IS love} is who we have bonds with one another. BUT, none of that negates the danger of false gospels or men trying to live by regulations or doctrines of men. Those I am strongly opposed and will continue to speak against these things.

      • Yes, that does make sense: you’re talking about everyone being united together in Christ, not that you’re being tolerant towards false teaching. I’ll admit, now that you’ve explained, I’m rather embarrassed that I came to my original conclusion in the first place. ^^
        So, thank you for clearing that up for me :) . My mistake.

      • Joshua, it was MY mistake. I don’t think I really explained it clearly. I appreciate you helping me see that. :)

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