addressing a commenter’s opposition to women in church

An unpublished commenter wrote this comment on {women} go tell the men:

“To all those (men and women) who do trust and heed all of God’s word, Of course God does use women, and even to prophesy. The issue is not that. But the issue is about what God word says. Let us remember that 1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15, are ABSOLUTELY true. And they ABSOLUTELY do not contradict scripture that also speaks of women being used by God, and prophesying, and teaching younger women. So, it is very true that women are to be used by God; and it is also very true that there are certain limits and designations that God set concerning women. Such is not a man-made doctrine.Now, man may have been leaning on his own understanding in trying to perform God’s word on these matters. But it is a fact that the Bible specifically emphasizes differences between women and men, even in the New covenant. Therefore, the question is: What is the meaning of scripture on these points? The above story didn’t even so much as mention the scriptures from which such restrictions claim their basis! Surely the sister has strong feelings on the matter of Christian women being held in religious bondage. However, Jesus Christ is the One that frees us from bondage. He is also the word of God. So when it comes to controversial issues such as this, Go to the word of God. The above article neglects to seek the word of God concerning the issue of any God-given restrictions on women; but instead, it used other verses in order to ignore scripture that is directly relevant to the issue. With all due respect, that is what the devil does. So let us consider the issue as children, eager to know what their Father means. I’m sure we don’t need to be so emotional, or defensive; because the Father is just. Let God be true, but every man a liar. And it is the Spirit of God that reveals the things of the Spirit of God. Human feelings, logic, and even much study of Hebrew and Greek, are not sufficient to accomplish understanding the mind of God. What do 1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15 mean? If you don’t know, then you’re pretty limited on what you can accurately say about this issue.”

Addressing the above comment;

The above comment was submitted to eatinglocusts.wordpress.com by a gentlemen in response to my post entitled “{women} go tell the men”. I promptly removed his comment as I do all such comments and will continue to do. There are several reasons for this, a few which I’ve listed below.

1.  We can reason with each other using the Scriptures as Paul did, but we are forbidden to engage in arguments as servants of God.  Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. 2Tim 2:23-24 NIV

2.  {“women} go tell the men”,  was not an attempt to teach on the interpretation and/or meaning of 1Corinthians 14:33-40 or 1Timothy 2: 9-15.  It is also not an attempt to “neglect” or “ignore” Scripture  like “the devil does”, as the commenter writes in his accusation. It is merely an account of an encounter with the Lord of my life that gave me much freedom and revelation on the subject of women in ministry.

3.  I will not give any platform or voice for discrimination, prejudice, bias and control of women in the Body of Christ on this blogsite. You are free to believe whatever you choose but you are not free to publish your erroneous beliefs at will on this blogsite. It is intended to help people as they learn about the freedom provided for them in Jesus Christ.

This commenter was removed because of the above listed reasons. Because of his first sentence, “To all those [men and women] who do trust and heed all of God’s Word’, I believe he was attempting to address other readers.

I also believe he was insinuating that I, as the author of the article, do not “trust and heed all” the Scriptures on this issue.  Actually, what I do not trust, is any man’s erroneous interpretation and understanding of any Scriptures. No matter how many centuries old that interpretation may be.

He then writes, “1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15, are ABSOLUTELY true. And they ABSOLUTELY do not contradict scripture that also speaks of women being used by God, and prophesying, and teaching younger women.” 

I would like to point out that 1Corinthians 14:31 states when in a public assembly, all may prophesy, that all may learn..  The word all would include women speaking in a public assembly and all would also include men learning while the women are speaking!

This presents a huge contradiction. The very nature of Scriptural prophesying is the act of speaking! The traditional application of the scriptures this commenter refers to, make it impossible for women to prophesy if it is a shame for her to speak in church, 1Cor. 14:35 and she is to be in silence while in church, 1Tim 2: 12.

Although this is by no means the only contradiction in the traditional application of these verses, this contradiction alone should have been enough to send the church to its knees a long time ago, seeking clarification.

This commenter also refers to “certain limits” and “God-given restrictions on women”. This kind of attitude can be a recipe for missing God. While God does set limits on human behavior that is called sin, a desire to work in the Kingdom with the gifts given to us by the Holy Spirit isn’t sin. For the church to refer to it as such is very grievous.

In Acts 5: 27-41, Peter and the other apostles were called on the carpet by church leaders in their day and asked “Did we not command you not to teach in that Name?!”  Peter and company replied, “We must obey God rather then men! Many women {and men} in the Body today still have the same response. 

We would be wise to have the attitude Gamaliel had that day in that situation, “My advice is, leave these men [or women] alone. Let them go. If they are planning and doing these things merely on their own, it will soon be overthrown. But if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You may even find yourselves fighting against God!”  NLT

This commenter also writes, “Surely the sister has strong feelings on the matter of Christian women being held in religious bondage.” Yes, I do, because the Holy Spirit does. However, as a warning, I do not believe my feelings are nearly as strong as the Holy Spirit’s feelings on the matter.

I’m not sure what the commenter was referring to when he wrote,  “I’m sure we don’t need to be so emotional…”  If he was indicating my experience was too emotional for his taste, I would remind him of some emotional scenes in Jesus’ life and the life of the early church. There were a lot of instances of, crying out, weeping, leaping and praising God with a loud voice. An important part of knowing God is to experience Him.

While the first line of this commenter’s comment seemed to address other readers, I do believe the last two seem to address me as the author, “What do 1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15 mean? If you don’t know, then you’re pretty limited on what you can accurately say about this issue.” 

Once again, this article is not an attempt to teach on 1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15. That would require several articles and posts. The purpose of this post is to address this commenter’s comment and any others like it.

Many Spirit gifted people have already written very clear and easy to understand articles on the Scriptures cited by this commenter, all readily available for those who want to read them. Articles that articulate very well what I believe “1Corinthians 14:33-40 and 1Timothy 2:9-15 mean”.

For one such an article written by John Zens on 1Timothy 2:9-15, please visit,

http://searchingtogether.org/free-to-function.htm

And a similar article on  1Corinthians 14:33-40, also written by John Zens.

http://subversive1.blogspot.com/2009/08/women-in-ministry-part-1.html

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About Geneva

The road in my rear view mirror is marked by hard places. My Guide has been faithful. He came into my life and I was branded. Marked. Labeled. Ridiculed. Judged. Stoned. But the road ahead always looks grand and full of light! The furnaces from the past have only caused the fire of His Spirit to burn hotter. The edicts of man have tried many times to make me bend in worship to him, yet I have met the true Flame who delivers me in every furnace!
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One Response to addressing a commenter’s opposition to women in church

  1. Laura Zielke says:

    I appreciate your willingness to remove divisive rants from commenters who clearly wish to insult those of us who disagree with them.

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